Monday, May 24, 2010

Conversation at The Unrepentant Patriots about Economic Systems

Earthhope Action Network

(On fascism and socialism)

They are both statist stances. In the one, socialism, the state owns the means of production (from schools to car factories), in the other, the state controls the means of production, while allowing "capitalists" to own them, as long as they make what the state tells them to, to buy what the state tells them to, and to pay what the state tells them to.

So, one might ask, if there is a practical difference, what is it?

Le

Yes, and now all of the collectivist economic systems:

state capitalism

–noun
a form of capitalism in which the central government controls most of the capital, industry, natural resources, etc.
state capitalism

noun
an economic system that is primarily capitalistic but there is some degree of government ownership of the means of production
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.




So state capitalism is a mix of capitalism and communism. Ouch!, huh? Yikes.


so·cial·ism

socialism  pronunciation/ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Show Spelled[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Not looking good for us, unless of course, you desire communism, as Tom has demonstrated.

fas·cism

fascism  pronunciation/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ Show Spelled[fash-iz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

Sho, too, sounds like what we got here if I didn't know better.

com·mu·nism

communism  pronunciation/ˈkɒmyəˌnɪzəm/ Show Spelled[kom-yuh-niz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2. (often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
3. (initial capital letter) the principles and practices of the Communist party.

Of course, in reality there is no such thing, as it's never been demonstrated to exist yet. There have been totalitarian states that have called themselves communist (and so I guess that is the actual definition) but not one has had a system where the ownership of production is the people. It's always the state and there are always a hand full of elites who get a lot more. (With the possible exception of Nikita Khrushchev in the USSR).

In any case it looks like that's where we're headed.


cor·po·rat·ism

corporatism pronunciation/ˈkɔrrəˌtɪzəm, -prəˌtɪz-/ Show Spelled[kawr-puh-ruh-tiz-uhm, -pruh-tiz-] Show IPA
–noun
the principles, doctrine, or system of corporative organization of a political unit, as a city or state.


Word Origin & History

corporatism
1890, from corporate + -ism. Used over the years in various senses of corporate, in 1920s-30s often with ref. to fascist collectivism.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper
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cor·po·ra·tist corporatism pronunciation (kôr'pər-ə-tĭst', kôr'prə-tĭst')
adj. Of, relating to, or being a corporative state or system.
cor'po·ra·tism n.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.


So take your pick:
collectivism 1.

collectivism 2.
collectivism 3.
collectivism 4.
collectivism 5.

OR:

Free Market Capitalism

Free Market definition


A market economy based on supply and demand with little or no government control. A completely free market is an idealized form of a market economy where buyers and sells are allowed to transact freely (i.e. buy/sell/trade) based on a mutual agreement on price without state intervention in the form of taxes, subsidies or regulation.


I rest my case.

Maggie

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